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on Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:43 pm
This is a more compact version of a topic I set up on the Capitol Board from 2 Nov 2009 to 8 Feb 2010. I have only made use of my own posts. Many of the original YouTube links had been removed----I've managed to find satisfactory replacements for all but one. And since then I've had to replace another nine links. YouTube is a fickle animal, it seems.  

Let's start with the Stones' third UK single, the Buddy Holly song "Not Fade Away" with BJ on "vamper"...
In lieu of anything else, here is Brian's wiki page.

This thread was prompted by a book written by Graham Ride, who shared digs in Cheltenham with "Jonah" before he left for good for London, fame, fortune and a tragic decline. Called Foundation Stone, it's a brilliant read...

My interest in Brian Jones actually began in Cheltenham in 2007 when, thumbing through a copy of Country Life magazine in the hotel room (I must have been bored!) it mentioned in passing the house (in Eldorado Road) where Jones had spent his early years (whether he was born there I don't know*). So we went and had a look...
 
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Cheltenham is still obviously a fairly snooty place as folks there even today are disparaging about Brian Jones. He was obviously no angel (he had a cruel streak) but for the town's main bookshop not to have anything about him (in 2007 at least) is scandalous. :=(
Nor did they have anything on Gustav Holst (the internationally famous composer of The Planets and even better things), who lived and worked in the Cheltenham area most of his life. Still, Holst's birthplace is a museum with a modest shop and admittedly there is little in print about him these days (just as scandalous, of course).

Just imagine it's 1967 and you're wandering through the crowds at Monterey and then suddenly ...
Brian would introduce Jimi onstage.
Eric Burdon & The Animals did a song about the festival. Check out the line about BJ at 1:51.
I remember when Burdon's "Monterey" was played on BBC Radio One and Eric sang the lines "If you wanna find the truth in life, Don't pass music by", the DJ said this was pretentious twaddle or something----in the middle of the song! He forgot to add that it was music by Eric Burdon and all the other folks mentioned in the song that was making him a comfortable living. Prat.

Nothing like a "Little Red Rooster"  to start your day...
Bottleneck guitar, according to teenage friend Graham Ride's book Foundation Stone, was one of Brian's great musical strengths, the others being blues harmonica and rhythm guitar. Jones used to be a jazz snob and had a massive vocabulary of guitars chords of all shapes and sizes. Of course, this didn't mean a jot in his work with the Stones. Even mouth harp and slide guitar didn't figure that much after the early days...
Brian had only a basic grasp of all the other instruments he played, in Ride's opinion. Basic it may have been, it all adds a fantastic dimension of colour to the Stones' first phase...

Does this belong in a "cover better than the original" thread? Maybe, thanks to Brian's forward-looking slide solo----"I Wanna Be Your Man" was the perfect stepping, uh, stone to greater things but I just love the organ in the Beatles version... ;=)

Back or rather forward to 1967. On "Ruby Tuesday" , Brian shows an above-average grasp of the recorder----those staccato broken chords are tricky...

Actually, I'm not a great Stones fan, it's having been on BJ's old stamping ground in Cheltenham that kindled my interest in him. He's a truly tragic figure. Keith Richards even said after Jones's funeral (it's on YouTube somewhere) that some people are just not meant to grow old...

"Lady Jane" features Brian on dulcimer...

Not sure what the purists thought of Mr Jones taking up the sitar, but the purists always were a sneaky bunch. Razz 
This is "Paint It Black" ...

Things were already turning sour for Brian----judging from the promo vid----by the time the magnificent "We Love You" was released, although he does contributes some wonderfully manic mellotron...
One of my favourite Stones songs (with a Beatle or two on backing vocals)...

All change to marimba for "Under My Thumb"


It's a fallacy that Brian played accordion on "Back Street Girl" . That's Nick de Caro (as confirmed by Stones producer and manager Andrew Loog Oldham). Brian is on glockenspiel and (distant) organ...

If I've got my facts right (I'm not a big Stones fan really), it was Brian who founded the Stones, not Keith and/or Mick. He was even paid more in the beginning (as their musical director?) and insisted on staying at different hotels to the rest, who of course resented this and gradually eased him out of the limelight and out of the Stones, no doubt with Andrew Oldham's encouragement. As I say, if I've got my facts right, otherwise shoot me... :B

Anyway, here's "Dandelion" with Brian on oboe (not the easiest of instruments) and----according to Wikipedia, in which case it's buried deep in the mix----sax.

This is "2000 Man" with Jonah on organ this time...
On this same album (Their Satanic Majesties...), which apparently he hated, Brian even indulges in a little theremin (end of side one) among the arsenal of instruments he banged, blew, scraped and depressed on TSMRAR.

Jones plays sustained notes on sax (not trumpet, as reported earlier) on the B-side of "Jumping Jack Flash", the moody "Child Of The Moon" ...

This is "You Got The Silver" , Brian's last recording with the Stones, on which he plays autoharp . Richards sings the version on Let it Bleed; here Jagger is doing the honours...

This is music by the Master Musicians of Joujouka that Brian recorded on a trip to Morocco in 1968. Amazing album, with phasing added to some of the tracks----to great effect.  

"Sitting On A Fence" was a UK hit in 1966 for Twice As Much. The Stones' own version features Brian on harpsichord. 


"2120 South Michigan Avenue"  is an instrumental workout highlighted by some stunning harpwork from Brian. 
Graham Ride who wrote about his months sharing a flat with Jones in Cheltenham claimed he still hadn't mastered the note-bending technique when he left for London.
In that case he made prodigious advances in a very short time indeed...  

Rest in peace, Brian.


* It would seem that this was indeed his first home: https://cheltenham4u.blogspot.nl/2007/08/rolling-stones-tour-of-cheltenham.html

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After an inordinately long time farting around replacing links (this forum's editing capacities leave a little to be desired), the Brian Jones page is now in full working order again. Very Happy

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on Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:46 pm
This is the first time the world heard Mr. Jones (on harmonica and background vocals): "Come On" just missed the UK top twenty in 1963. I didn't like it at the time, preferring the more laid-back Chuck Berry original with its unusual swirling piano textures. I can look back on it more kindly now. It even has a punk feel to it--in 1963!



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on Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:26 pm
Not every musician has a band named after them (well, half after them in this case). The Brian Jonestown Massacre have recorded tons of albums but this is the only one I've ever heard--and I'd rather like to leave it this way. I used to listen to this on YouTube while cleaning the "wet cells" between cleaning ladies (terrible choice of words).



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on Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:12 pm
And of course I can't leave this topic (at least for now) without linking (again) this fabulous tribute song by Psychic TV, preceded by a brief interview with band co-founder Genesis P-Orridge, another fascinating figure:



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on Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:35 pm
he was one hell of a talented guy, i bought a Special/limited Edition that Rolling Stones put out like 2 years ago since i never see the actual magazine in stores anymore and i haven't for like the past 2 years or else i'd buy them. anyways, i haven't read the book all the way through but going through it the other day it says that he Killed Himself. it also says that's always been up to debate too & i never have been able to make up my mind cause his mind was pretty messed up from the drugs he was taking and from losing his woman to Keith as well. but than he was paying more attention to drugs than he was to the band or to Anita so it's a wonder why she left him at all. also his personality had completely changed and i think a lot of it had to do with all the drugs he was taking at the time too. another reason why she left him as well anyways the Song Come On has never been among my favorite Stones Songs it's a start and you gotta start somewhere but i can totally see why it did nothing for them each time i listen to it every once in a blue moon.

one wonders how long the band would have lasted at all if Andrew Oldham hadn't locked Mick & Keith into that Kitchen to write songs in (1964) and they would have kept putting out cover songs? i say maybe another year or two if they were lucky but than i could be wrong of course
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smileysmile42 wrote:he was one hell of a talented guy

Agree with you there. What are your thoughts on the movie clip I posted above via this thread? If you've seen it that is. Did they get everything bang on accurate. I haven't seen the film myself. Not a fan of the Stones, more Beatles/Kinks, but saw the Stones live at Glastonbury Festival in 2013 and they were brilliant I have to say. I do however like the more recent song from them titled "Doom and Gloom".

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i do know that in 1969 because of his arrest Jones could not get into the states at all had he not been fired he would have not been able to tour the states because he had no passport at all it was taken away from them. Jagger and everyone else were lucky themselves to get their passports back and i think if you ask them today they may even agree with me on that. i know the beach boys history a lot better but i of course don't know everything about either band you guys and gals on here and on the capital board way back when knew way more than little ole me.

i love the stones and it's a shame that Jones was fired, but i do think that on how messed up he was, i have Keith's book actually i haven't read all of it but skimming through it he remarked about Brian in the book on why Anita cheated and dumped him was cause he because of the drugs at least in his opinion anyways his Personality changed so much that he was actually abusive towards hear to the point that Mick and Keith i think had to confront him about it and stop him from hitting her if my memory is right and it may not be.

he was slowly pulling away from the band as it was anyways, if you look at the early years and the last album i think he really was on and gave a damn about i think was between the buttons and maybe Majestic ? but when they were doing Beggers Banquet which is my favorite album of theirs he would by than show up late or not at all which was why when they were making let it Bleed they said enough is enough and fired him.

he was i think on his way out anyways as he barely even spoke to the guys anymore and was in his own world i believe. the more into drugs he got the more distance he got from the guys and everyone pretty much.
it's funny how Keith is known to be a heavy drug addict in his day never did any of that i don't think. but maybe Jones just reacted differently than the others?
anyone who knows the stones better than i can correct me if i'm wrong as i don't know how right or wrong i am. but i think i got at least some of it wrong.. i would not be surprised if he actually did kill himself cause at the end he had no one really coming around he pretty much was a loner at the end if i recall. one thing that really did piss him off though and what started the heavy in take from what i've read is the fact that at the start of the band it was his band hands down.

he made all the gigs he handled the money he did everything. than at some point they started to say i think it was Andrew Oldham actually who pretty much pushed Keith and mick to the front and Brian to the back and it became more their band than his band and he resented it. the longer the band was around and the more it became their band he was given less to do and though he did do some really damn good music i think that's why he even started taking drugs. but than if you look at when Mick Taylor who was the best thing that ever happened to that band on why he left, he wanted some of his stuff on the albums not just stuff by mick and Keith and they said no.

those two as much as i love their music i think have the biggest ego's in the business because they never let anyone else put their own music to their albums. it was just pure luck that Bill Wyman got to do that but that what was only once or twice i forget which. and Ronnie even said about undercover of the night and Dirty work you can tell those two weren't talking cause he got material on dirty work.

on how Ronnie does music now with them on how he gets stuff on it he writes music and brings it to them and they use that but the lyrics they only let their music on it. i never liked that on how they are like that it's just 2 guys with huge ego's.
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i grew up listening to the stones my dad is a fan and as a kid he would play the cassette of Hard Rocks (1964-1971) so that's where i really heard their music and i think the first time that i am aware of the song Jumping Jack Flash would be the classic (1986) film Jumping Jack Flash with Whoopie Goldberg. and i fell in love with it too Smile so it was my dad got me and my brother into them and The Doors as well and i can complain about my folks on certain things but not everything of course
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